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posted by »|m|u|n|i|r|a|« at 6/01/2005 05:21:00 pm
Of the 2, I think the second is more viable, interms of Islam. Why would God command if something was amoral to begin with?Hmmm...there's a flaw in this argument. Not sure how to rebutt the rebuttal, though...if you get what I'm trying to say.
I think you're WRONG here flynn. God is the ultimate authority on what is right and wrong. If some things are inherently right/wrong as the 2nd 'Divine Command' theory suggests, it denotes that another superior being/process has determined those things to be right/wrong. God is just submitting to a more intelligent rational being/source (ASTAGFIRULLAH). Do you see what I'm getting at? God determines what is right and what is wrong not because it seems so to us or makes sense to us. If something seems contrary or doesn't make sense even after we've used logical reasoning to the best or our ability, it simply means that the essence of the matter is outside the limited span of human comprehension compared to that of our Creator. It all comes down to faith I guess. Another thing, don't get the impression that God doesn't want us to use reasoning, He gave us the ability to reason for a purpose. But it is foolish to take the law into our own hands and expect to reap benefits from it...it'll only end in painful repercussions!
You're right...I just understood it differently. But now that you explain...maybe you should delete that previous comment.I took it to mean that things which are moral to begin with are moral because God has deemed that they be so. Not that morality appeared by itself...that's a ridiculous idea, not to mention illogical.
Yeah, a ridiculous idea, a bit like the "primeordeal soup" theory about the origin of life? Remember biology?
I think I should make some additional comments here-to add to your comments. Islam is a religion that encourages reasoning-in most situations the guidelines provided by Islam make the most sense. But, if sometimes it doesn't (only sometimes) it is because of OUR lack of hindsight/foresight not b/c there's anything wrong with God's judgements! So you're right- in the sense that God IS the ultimate authority, but it doesn't mean that we stop reasoning and become dogmatic--we must be open to new ideas and opinions as well- the alternative is moral degenaration!
Anon, I echo you!
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Of the 2, I think the second is more viable, interms of Islam. Why would God command if something was amoral to begin with?
Hmmm...there's a flaw in this argument. Not sure how to rebutt the rebuttal, though...if you get what I'm trying to say.
I think you're WRONG here flynn. God is the ultimate authority on what is right and wrong. If some things are inherently right/wrong as the 2nd 'Divine Command' theory suggests, it denotes that another superior being/process has determined those things to be right/wrong. God is just submitting to a more intelligent rational being/source (ASTAGFIRULLAH). Do you see what I'm getting at? God determines what is right and what is wrong not because it seems so to us or makes sense to us. If something seems contrary or doesn't make sense even after we've used logical reasoning to the best or our ability, it simply means that the essence of the matter is outside the limited span of human comprehension compared to that of our Creator. It all comes down to faith I guess.
Another thing, don't get the impression that God doesn't want us to use reasoning, He gave us the ability to reason for a purpose. But it is foolish to take the law into our own hands and expect to reap benefits from it...it'll only end in painful repercussions!
You're right...I just understood it differently. But now that you explain...maybe you should delete that previous comment.
I took it to mean that things which are moral to begin with are moral because God has deemed that they be so. Not that morality appeared by itself...that's a ridiculous idea, not to mention illogical.
Yeah, a ridiculous idea, a bit like the "primeordeal soup" theory about the origin of life? Remember biology?
I think I should make some additional comments here-to add to your comments. Islam is a religion that encourages reasoning-in most situations the guidelines provided by Islam make the most sense. But, if sometimes it doesn't (only sometimes) it is because of OUR lack of hindsight/foresight not b/c there's anything wrong with God's judgements!
So you're right- in the sense that God IS the ultimate authority, but it doesn't mean that we stop reasoning and become dogmatic--we must be open to new ideas and opinions as well- the alternative is moral degenaration!
Anon, I echo you!
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